I've posted the draft schedules for the AAA, JV AAA, Central, Ches-Mont, Pioneer Athletic, Private II, and Other (Interboro) up on the ICSHL web site. they are in calendar format, with a tab for each team's schedule.

Team Calendars

We'll be adding the Girls and JV divisions later.

Have fun.

I am going to tie this in to the myhockeyrankings thread. I have been talking with the people at that website. Splitting these Divisions up into AAA AA and A for ranking purposes isn't to hard. What should the teams in Private Division II be ranked against? AA? A? Obviously not AAA. Input(non political) appreciated.

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I am going to tie this in to the myhockeyrankings thread. I have been talking with the people at that website. Splitting these Divisions up into AAA AA and A for ranking purposes isn't to hard. What should the teams in Private Division II be ranked against? AA? A? Obviously not AAA. Input(non political) appreciated.

As a former V2 parent who saw these teams last year I would place them in low A. We lost to Haverford by accident, Haverford beat Episcopal then we 10-goaled Episcopal 3 minutes into the 3rd. But then, again, we don't deserve to be a varsity.

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Keyser,

I assume that the private II schools are still classified as A or AA by size of male enrollment at school (just as they had been before private II was created).

What I find odd is that 3 of the teams (Wood, McDevitt & Lansdale Catholic) are still playing in the Suburban league (and I assume still part of SHSHL standings as well - at least McDevitt and LC which fill out the "american" division of SHSHL.) So was private II created for the benefit of the 3 former Eastern league teams???

MP-Fan,

Your outrage shouldn't be because now your kid won't get a varsity letter because they don't have V2's anymore. My kid played V2 for 2 years, he's got a letter, but he could care less about the letter, he wants to play for his school and he wants it to be competitive hockey. Your outrage should be because the purists use the excuse that multiple varsities don't exist in any other high schools sports (not it's that they think that if they get rid of multiple varsities - more hockey players will go to their schools), but yet allow all types of other irregularities exist and continue to exist to keep teams and leagues solvent and league coffers full.

A good example, my daughter is an incoming freshman playing on a high school's JV soccer team, their JV team hasn't lost a game in two years, they played their first game last friday and was up 8 - 0 in the first half, when the coach called off the dogs, they played in a summer league made up of school teams and played a good Varsity team in the championship finished tied 3 - 3 and lost on penalty kicks. They could be very competitive at varsity, but it's not an option, (this isn't a soccer blog but I'm using this to get to my point) But in High School Soccer it's also not an option for JV teams to use other players outside of their school to fill out a team (or make the team more competitve), it's not an option for a school to not place a team at Varsity because they think their top team is not good enough to play varsity, it's not an option for a JV team to find a "lower" JV league or level to play at to be competitive (so now you have in hockey JVAAA, AA, A & B - what the heck is that - JVAAA makes some sense since it is made up of the same teams that create the AAA league - except for one team that didn't think it would be competitive).

But if these rules were enacted, many teams and schools would drop by the wayside - less teams, less money, less icetime sold. The bottom line is that for now it costs the leagues nothing to create a JVAAA league to eliminate V2's, each school with a former V2 team will still field the same number of teams.

So in addition, they now have created the Private II league, with I believe the intended purpose to separate the publics from the non-publics to create leagues that mimic other sports. But because SHSHL continues to lose the smaller school teams (Norristown, Cheltenham, Springfield over the last 3 years), it's OK to keep LC and McDevitt in SHSHL too, move McDevitt (who struggled last year)to play with the "A" teams from being in "AA" for several years (same as they did for Hatboro Horsham last year)in the league to have enough teams to make a viable division and allow teams to have a competitive environment. In real high schools sports - this isn't an option either!!!!!! But because it's still a necessity by the set up of SHSHL divisions to have enough teams at or near the same level of play, it's acceptable.

I know the reality is that in order to keep some teams/schools solvent (which may be a losing cause), they have to do these things. And in reality I'm not saying it's wrong either, because High School hockey is not like other high school sports, and really for it to survive and flourish, I don't think it can be treated like other high school sports. But the "purists" are only going to change what fits into their agenda. Eliminating V2's fit into their agenda, apparently these other things don't. That should be your outrage.

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Amen!!!

So I am not familiar with the school census for Private II. Would Wood,Haverford, and LC be A and the others AA?

Haverford and Episcopal I don't know, but I believe the other 4 would be AA by the numbers.

Wood should be AAA

I'm with ya Ralphy, but Like I said "Rome wasn't built in a day" Hopefully all of these changes will take place. It's starting with varsity. Hopefully it will work it's way down to the other levels in the near future.

I like your soccer analogy.....as you stated (to paraprase) it doesnt matter if your daughter's JV team blows out other JV competition and it doesnt matter that they played a competitive game with a varsity squad, that doesn't entitle them to have varsity status. It's not the criteria for being varsity.

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Originally posted by ralphy:
Haverford and Episcopal I don't know, but I believe the other 4 would be AA by the numbers.

Official PIAA enrollments (Boys/Girls) are available for all hockey schools except the four Inter-Acs:
PIAA information, by school

Malvern, G/A, Haverford School and Episcopal aren't members and don't report their 9-10-11th grade enrollment per the PIAA formula.

The best you can do is to consult the PA Dept. of Education's web site, that reports enrollment by grade, but not by gender, for all private schools in the state.
2007-2008 enrollments
* Episcopal Academy had 363 9-10-11 graders, but is co-ed, so assume 181 Boys.
* Germantown Academy had 368 9-10-11 graders, but is co-ed, so assume 184 Boys.
* Haverford School had 297 9-10-11 graders, all Boys.
* Malvern Prep had 350 9-10-11 graders, all Boys.

Just to make this more fun enrollment requirements for classifications differ by sport. So let's just use the football numbers which would make Episcopal A and Haveford would be AA.

Matt, you are not too convincing that any of the other changes are going happen any time soon. I agree there should only be one varsity by definition, but there should be only one JV too, it should include only kids from the school involved, play the same teams from the same division as the varsity plays in (not placed by skill level), and no JV playoffs. That right there would eliminate at least one third of the JV hockey teams that exist (that's just between multiple JV's and unpure teams - let alone teams that wouldn't be competitve and fall to the wayside). That's way too much fee not collected by the leagues and too much unsold icetime. So from that basis, I don't believe any of those changes are going to happen any time soon under the current league structures.

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None of that is happening any time soon (as in ever).

"(it's that they think that if they get rid of multiple varsities - more hockey players will go to their schools)"

That is was and always will be the bottom line on that issue. Can we move on now?

None of this matters, like Lacrosse before it as the public schools take over control of the sports the privates (not Parochials) will go their own way. Privates don't play for the state title in any other sports (last year was it for LAX and hockey will follow). Malvern and the other Inter-Ac schools will end up playing Hill, Lawrenceville and and Princeton Day like we do in all of the other sports.

I am not re-hashing this stuff now. Malvern has 6 very good goalies. It's a shame the rules had to change now. If you check, I did register my outrage that V2 elimination was the only thing getting done - several times.

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Ralphy,
I'm not trying to "convince" you of anything. I'm stating what I know. If you don't want to accept it, I'm fine with that.