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Better check your facts...Chicago is second to last in attendance in the USHL averaging 1,059 per game so far this season. I've been to that barn quite a few times and while it's nice, it's no where ever near capacity. They seat 2,800 and it's a building owned by the municpality. You'd be hard pressed to get a town to spend money on an arena considering the current budget crisis most are facing right now. Springfield and Texas are areas which don't have all that much to do anyway. Where the professional hockey need isn't being fullfilled, teams draw. Otherwise you have teams, like the NJDP who say they draw 500. That squad is "competing" for fans with three professional leagues. Oh, Don't forget all teams pad their attendance statistics. The bottom line is the area is oversaturated with hockey. Two teams in Philly, teams in Reading, Trenton, Hershey and Wilkes-Barre make for a crowded house. Junior hockey will not work here as a business venture. There is no way the NAHL as it stands now will expand East of Mahoning Valley again unless several teams can pop up here to make it economically viable. The Pittsburgh experiment failed horribly and it's going to take a boatload of capital and a realignment of the entire league for them to even consider coming here. People here are too focused on professional hockey. People in the northeast are focused on college and prep hockey. Most could care less about the AHL teams up there -- they're an afterthought. Riddle me this, if the Freedom didn't make it here, who's to say junior will? |
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Juniors won't draw here....that was the (one of the) reason that the AJ was in limbo for JR. A status, they don't draw a crowd. That is one of the requirements to be a Teir 1 Jr A league.....attendance/Gate revenue offsets player costs and is why they don't "pay to play".
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I wasn't including playoff games or flyers cup games when i said games don't draw that much. But to say that i haven't been to a game at aston or iceline is absolutely ludacris. Most games usually generate the parents of the players, and a small amount of students from the school unless its a rivraly game. The West Chester schools bring a pretty big crowd because Iceline is in West Chester, most kids are not going to drive 20+ minutes to watch their frinds play ice hockey, what makes you think they will to watch a bunch of kids from all over the country play.
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Ok your right about the Steel, I meant to say they where near the top untill the Chicago Hounds of the UHL moved next door. As for the Forge, I was very close to that organization and the reason they failed was flawed marketing. Also Toledo maid them a good offer for the team and the coach was allready on his way to Everette in the dub. As for the pro teams who would steal the people thats why you find a place in a community that isnt directly affected by those teams. Some of the teams you listed are litteraly over 2 hours apart. You might be right about the NAHL not wanted to expend out here but thats not something either of us can controll so im not going to argue it. Where the Freedom that MAHL team? I have been around hockey my whole life and even played with the leading scorer in that league and a few others in there and I never once saw any advertising for that team or heard anything about them even at the local rinks. They for the same reason as the league, complete lack of exposure. |
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Woah woah. I'm not at Iceline too often, and I know Ridley doesn't draw a huge crowd because well, we're not the greatest team but to suggest Jigga has not been to many games at Aston or Iceline is, as you put it, completely and totally wrong. He's been to more games than I care to count. He and Mr. Wood are always at Aston, the Skatium, and Iceline. I swear, sometimes they are at more than one rink at the same time. I'd consider both of them a pretty credible source when it comes to discussing game attendance numbers by team/league etc. To that end, I agree with him. At the average high school hockey game, at least in the Central and Eastern Leagues, you won't get a huge crowd unless it's Bonner/O'hara, Marple/Haven, Ridley/Interboro etc. There are always a few die-hards (we consistently have one kid who bets on our games and two Turkish kids as well), but in general, you will get parents and maybe 10-30 students per game. Not sure about the Chesmont teams out at Iceline or any of the other leagues, but what he said is pretty much true, in my experience at least. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Boraske33, |
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Come out this Friday for Henderson-Sallies and Perk-East after it. Or especially come out for Henderon-East in the Flyers cup the friday after this one. Unless thats there Spring break which im not sure of im betting there will probaly be about 1800 people there.
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Well, yea, the ICSHL Championship (and third place) games will obviously draw huge crowds. Regular season game attendances are more akin to the numbers Jigga posted, I think at least.
I will definitely be in attendance tomorrow night though. Finally get to see the "infamous" Sutherland in action! |
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I am not familiar enough with billeting junior players to make a formal statement that it is wrong or right either way. I have a question though: If a player billets to the USHL or NAHL, the two premier junior leagues in the states, are they permitted to play for the HS team they are billeting for?
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Jigga stated that there where 25 kids a game. Ive been to probaly about 40 games this year that involved Ches mont teams and ive never seen less than 100 people at a game. ICSHL ill give you is different because theres some schools that play at iceline or Iceworks that are far from there actuall school district but every team in Chesmont is about 15 mins from the rink or less and they games are well attended. Southerland is good for high school, however unless he gets in a lot better shap hes not going anywhere after. Hes has pretty good hands and a good butterfly but hes not that quick side to side and he doesnt handle the puck well. To be honest I would take Kenny, and Mattern and Tinkoff if they played like they did last year in the cup over him. And maybe Donzanti, hes not consistant but when hes on hes better than pretty much everyone in the leauge. |
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I would say i have been to well over 40. I am only including school students in my numbers calculation and i would say aside from the west chester schools that Conestoga is the only school who brings out a large number of students to the regular season games.
I saw Henderson-Methacton early in the year, there were no more then 20 Henderson students present. What about Malvern-Strath Haven the other night, rink 3 looked empty all 3 times i walked though. But perdicting 1800 people at one game is an awful lot seeing as the Kennett-Henderson Flyers Cup final game last year had 800 people and rink 1 was PACKED, no room to sit anywhere, no idea how iceline will be able to hold TWICE that many.. Look we don't need to get in a disagreement about people at games. If you don't think I'm ever at Iceliene, then you are sadly mistaken. Also i just assumed the Phantoms don't do well ticket wise seeing as last year you were forced into buying a Phantoms ticket if you wanted to go to the Flyer Cup A or AA finals. |
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The biggest crowd I've ever seen at Ice Line was the triple header state championship in 2003. Same for Aston in 2007. I have to think one of the biggest reasons for this is how well Holy Ghost draws and travels - Bud can confirm this, but in game two of the LBCSHL league finals back in 2003, I'm pretty sure we put over 1000 people into Grundy against Neshaminy. Plus, anyone who watched the AAA Flyers Cup championship game last year saw how packed the Ghost section was. High school hockey can certainly draw, especially if the team is good and especially if it's a rivalry game. That's the one downside of the proposed folding of the Lower Bucks league - the gate is almost always huge for every league game because the rivalries are so strong, and it would be a shame to lose that. Pennsbury won't draw as well in the Suburban league, and Ghost's crowds are bigger for Ryan, Pennsbury, and Judge than for any other teams, Malvern and LaSalle included.
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I think one of the reason Ghost draws so well, is not only the fact that they have been successful for most of this decade, but also because the school has a huge role in the team. On game days, the whole school is made aware of hockey games, and where they will be played. Many non hockey players talk about the team and games at school, because the school does a great job of promoting the team. Im sure if ice hockey was considered a varsity sport by the public schools, and announcements were made and the games were promoted, and they had bus trips to rinks, the game would have great draws. Cicvi, I know how great the LBSCHL games draw, but the best draws are around Thanksgiving and PLayoffs. So, with the league set to fol.d, a Thanksgiving tournament or end of season tournament, would have a huge draw |
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This is in response to Luber25's question of billeted players in the USHL & NAHL:
Although this might be a bit dated by a couple of years, USHL & NAHL players were not permitted to play for their local high school hockey teams. The prime reason related to the practice & game schedule of their junior teams. In the Ontario Provincial league (Tier 2 Junior A), junior players were not permitted to play HS hockey - HS hockey was considered a lower tier, almost recreational/intramural, and a place for players who couldn't make the junior teams. Billeted players in Ontario were permitted to play other "out of season" sports such as lacrosse, etc. |
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Yeh no real Junior A team will allow you to play other hockey. As JTBritt said even the OPJHL who is one of the lowest junior A hockey leagues in Canada wont let you. The only time ive seen anyone from a high school team play junior A is when players are injured and the local junior team calls up a aaa kid. |
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The bottom line, if a HS team has the luxury of a Jr. A/B player the opposing team needs to do their homework and shut that player down.
In most cases there is one and at the most two Junior Kids that play on a HS team. Shame on you if you allow two kids to steal a game from you. You would be foolish to squawk if the player is legally allowed to play. Keep focused and dont let them be a hero. |
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