Best kids make teams, thats why most schools have multiple teams. Play where your talent places you. Like I said most of these kids aren't much better than the kids in the area or they would have went straight north for Jr's.

cpihl1fan,

Your at a bigger disadvantage to open enrollment schools than you are a hand full of Jr players playing high school hockey.

Example: A loaded Lasalle team who also makes it very convenient to play club hockey and high school hockey together? Sounds like an awesome way to pull talented kids in the door, especially with the way they are dominating. Lots of parents want to play on winning teams.

How many out of state Jr players are playing hockey in the area? How many local Jr players are playing high school hockey?

BTW Matt,

I don't think any of the Jr players should be playing high school hockey, it's alot of hockey and with school,etc.. It's not easy.. I just hate to see rules hurting kids because of adults actions. But it's nice that the system allows kids to have options.

Most of the people arguing against the billet players are arguing because they want every advantage they can get to win. They are most likely the same adults at the rink crying about a million and one disadvantages.

Trimback -- I have stepped out of this debate, but can provide the information you ask for...the number of out-of-state Junior players playing high school is a handful (1 or less per HS team). The number of local HS players who play Junior as well is very substantial (easily 3-4 or more per HS team).

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Originally posted by raha127:If you didnt know, Gorman is the coach of the new team.

What league will the A team play in and then who will be the B team coach?

They are trying to get into the AJHL and I ment Dorman, hit the wrong letter haha.

I dont have any idea what there doing with the junior b team or if there even going to keep it.

The new youth movement rules will only help Jr's. I think a team can only take 2 players from 1 team and total of 4 new players. The older kids especially at Midget Major with very few teams will be forced down to AA or Jr's. These rules don't apply at Jr's.

Them getting Jr A only makes sense, VFMM wanted it a few years ago also. If a kid is playing Jr B and eventually wants to move to Jr A. Why go play Jr B at jr Flyers then try to make a move back to little flyers for Jr A. Just go Little Flyers Jr B to get your foot in the door. It helps Jr Flyers compete against Little Flyers with options.

From what I'm hearing from people the area will lose a whole bunch more of the talent in the area to prep schools and juniors.

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Originally posted by trimback:
The new youth movement rules will only help Jr's. I think a team can only take 2 players from 1 team and total of 4 new players. The older kids especially at Midget Major with very few teams will be forced down to AA or Jr's. These rules don't apply at Jr's.

Them getting Jr A only makes sense, VFMM wanted it a few years ago also. If a kid is playing Jr B and eventually wants to move to Jr A. Why go play Jr B at jr Flyers then try to make a move back to little flyers for Jr A. Just go Little Flyers Jr B to get your foot in the door. It helps Jr Flyers compete against Little Flyers with options.

Im pretty sure the player movement rules dont apply to tier 1 midget major teams either.

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Originally posted by trimback:
From what I'm hearing from people the area will lose a whole bunch more of the talent in the area to prep schools and juniors.

Anyone in particular?

hgpfan,

No I won't out any of them. Most are probably still waiting for letters..lol

This is kinda off the point but I wish someone would bring a NAHL or USHL team to this area. I wish I had the money cause if you marketed it right and put it in the right area you could really get some good crowds, and for once we could get to see some good non pro hockey around here. Its kinda sad that realisticaly the best teams in this area are Flyers, Phantoms, of course than it drops off to Little Flyers.

PS. I would deff put Nuemann ahead of the Little Flyers but they have an average of about a 100 people a game and no marketing and allthough its decent hockey theres no showmenship to bring people in off the ice.

How do you expect it would draw a big crowd? The Phantoms pretty much give tickets away and they flyers don't even always sell out. Most high school games are not attended very well, usually no more than 25 students unless its a flyers cup game or a big rivarly for the school.

The reason the teams in the USHL do so well is because most of the teams are in the mid-west in citys that don't have pro sports, so the Junior hockey team is a big draw.

Phantoms may be gone in two years, off to NY?? with those plans for the Spectrum.

But Jigga is right, You have Hershey Bears, Trenton Devils, Reading Royals, Phantoms and Flyers all within driving range of the area depending on where you live.

Even in the USHL some teams have problems drawing crowds (Chicago) compared to other teams. Mainly because in Chicago your battling pro and minor teams also.

Plus to have a team in this area Comcast would probably need to own it and wouldn't find it profitable enough.

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How do you expect it would draw a big crowd? The Phantoms pretty much give tickets away and they flyers don't even always sell out. Most high school games are not attended very well, usually no more than 25 students unless its a flyers cup game or a big rivarly for the school.

Minus your last point you are completely and totally wrong. The Phantoms where the highest drawling team in the entire AHL a couple years ago and still are up there, and the Flyers where 4th in attendance last season and they where horrible. As for high school apparently you have never been to any game at iceline or Aston because I havent seen a weekend game that had less that 100 people at it in a long time, and most good ones are around 500 people. And as a matter of fact the East-Salies game this weds had around 1500 at it, and you can call iceline and ask if you dont believe me. To be middle of the pack in the NAHL in attendance you only need about 700 people per game. If marketed well and in the right area a team could do real well.

You are right about the fact that a lot of the teams are in small markets that only have them as anything close to a pro sport. However on the other hand Chicago is one of the highest attended teams in the USHL and ive been to the rink its in a situation very similar to what would work around here. Its about 30-40 mins outside of the city in a suburb. Also St. Lois is a very well attended jr squad and the Texas Tornado are actually partners and they get good crowds being close to where the Stars play.

This is not something that I would do, but hypothetically it could happen.

Matt, you know who PowerPlay is. He will be the Minutemen Jr. B coach for next season. He also is a coach with Downingtown East. How would everyone feel IF the MM went crazy and billeted 3-4 players AND they were all directed to families residing in the D-E school district?
I would imagine that West wouldn't find it too funny.

It's flat out what ALL Parochial schools are lumped together and accused of. It's recruiting. For sure that has happened, but not all Catholic schools can/do recruit. I can tell you for sure that Shanahan does not, but they could and that is why they are required to play AAA or suffer the consequences of not being allowed to participate for FC. Look at Lower Merion and the restrictions that they are put under. Now I'm not at all saying that all billets are recruited, quite the contrary most probably only find out about it after they get here. But as you can all read on this board, it has already happened.

Another point too. I think it was trimback who pointed out that there was a billet that lived with them to leave to then go to a better school district. That is in effect unfair to those school districts that are perceived as lesser. It's great for Treddyfrin/Conestoga. But what kid is going to want to billet in downtown Pottstown? So not all schools really have an equal shot at landing these guys.

This is how I could see this being simply resolved without imposing PIAA rules. Each team goes to their league meetings. Each team submits their vote to either use or not use billets. Those that chose to use them should be considered open enrollment and be placed at the AAA level regardless of the size of school. Those that vote not to use them are permitted to stay in the designation that they normally belong. This way the schools themselves individually decide whether or not it's worth the gamble of having a random billet falling into their laps. I would bet that most teams would not want to take that chance.