Why doubt/guess when we can ask? There is a LaSalle guru on these boards somewhere. If Pyne were crushed in a game in the corner, what would be the result?
If there are teams out there that would allow their goalie to be crushed in lieu of a four minute powerplay (I don't think there are) then I don't think they are playing good hockey. Maybe smart and... girly hockey, but that's about it. There's a line between smart hockey/discipline and instances where you need to **** discipline and kick someone's ass for doing something totally wrong and out of control.
Agree to disagree, snipe. You think Henderson should have displayed more discipline, I disagree. What you're asking to is next to impossible in that situation, I think, and like I said, it's easy to type messages here from a perch behind a computer but on the ice, it's a whole different story. If I were layed out by a dude in the corner of a game, I know and expect my teammates would clobber that kid. Maybe that's the wrong mentality but as far as I knew, that's Hockey 101. Protect your goalie.
Oh, sneaky insult about the Hawks, too. I like it, well done.
Posts: 300 | Location: Ridley Park | Registered: 26 February 2007
The fact that goalies don't expect the hit can make it worse because we are not bracing for it, and many times we wouldn't have a chance anyways. I got knocked out in a JV game against Ryan last year by a cross check. Goalies don't get breaks, and either and a tweaked leg or arm can be the diffrence between a win or a loss. Still you have a bit of a point that most of the brutal stuff is done to forwards I agree with whatthepuck that a defense should protect a goalie before anyone can get near him/her. And I don't agree with flopping
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Don't agree with flopping? And you call yourself a goaltender? Kidding. Not saying I don't believe you though, but are you going to tell me you've never tried to draw a penalty before? Never taken a bump and made it look like a hit? Never got snowed and then dropped your blocker and glove to slide invisible snow off your face?
Only kidding, really. To each their own. Maybe you play more "honorably" than I do. I think most people would agree I play with class on the ice, but I'm not going to say I'm above exploiting over-protective referees to get my team an advantage.
No, snipe. This isn't basketball, this is hockey. They are different sports, and different actions invoke different responses depending on the sport.
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Posts: 300 | Location: Ridley Park | Registered: 26 February 2007
Boraske --- I was agreeing with Snipe's theory that you've got to take a few roughs with the smooth. Or, put differently, that cheap shots take place up and down the ice routinely throughout most any hockey game. Most goaltenders I know dish out as much as they take...the trips, the hacks, etc. And the skater from the other team who slides into the 'tender in the net is as likely to get a punch with the blocker as not. Of course, a skater is required to make every effort to avoid decking a goaltender. My own view is that goaltender interference around the League is a more serious problem. The times I saw opposing players in the crease impeding goaltenders' movements PRIOR to or DURING the shot on goal that went uncalled are countless this season.
Good question, squared. HHfan, I understand now, thanks for the clarification. I just disagree with snipe blaming the Henderson kids for defending their goaltender and calling them "undisciplined," when pretty much no team out there is going to allow that sort of abuse.
Posts: 300 | Location: Ridley Park | Registered: 26 February 2007
Originally posted by Snipe: Take the bad this year as well as you took the good last year. Your son wasn't hurt and it only impacted the game because of your teams lack of discipline.
If you want to stick to the original intent of your posts, make sure you don't imply a charge/cheapshot on a goaltender in the corner is justifiable, okay, or otherwise not a big deal because the goalie didn't get hurt or that it doesn't "impact the game" unless someone goes after the goon who did it.
That was my problem with your post, and that was the point of our little discussion.
Always a pleasure, Snipe. Talk to you around.
Posts: 300 | Location: Ridley Park | Registered: 26 February 2007
And no offense snipe, I don't know where you played hockey, but I was always taught to protect the goaltender. Doesn't matter if your a star or not. A player runs your goaltender, hacks him, or whatever, you put him on his butt.
carpenter ran mattern because he was to scared to hit anyone else and thought 'hey if i hurt there goalie we might be able to win easier'... why didnt he try to run after latta, blaker, cottle, wallace?? any one of those guys would of knokced him on his butt, kudos to cottle for going in there like that after him... 10 min was a joke of a penalty, how much did east pay those refs?
Posts: 78 | Location: west chester | Registered: 25 March 2007
Yes 10 minutes was ridiculous. From where I was sitting it looked like Cottle was being held back by the ref’s the whole time and Latta and Zucker were more involved, either way no one deserved a 10.
Boraske and Pez provide interesting insight as goaltenders themselves. I do agree with Boraske in the fact that its easy for anyone (myself) included to say it was poor judgment after the fact. As the only senior on that line and the captain I am sure Cottle felt it was his duty to protect his goaltender, its just to bad he was hit with a 10 minute penalty when I would say he didn’t do the worst thing that occurred in that play. Even though it occurred in the 2nd period him being out of the game for 10 minutes changed the flow of the game, and possible even the outcome.
Posts: 526 | Location: Delco | Registered: 18 September 2006
Originally posted by Jigga Beef: Yes 10 minutes was ridiculous. From where I was sitting it looked like Cottle was being held back by the ref’s the whole time and Latta and Zucker were more involved, either way no one deserved a 10.
Didn't see it, so only commenting on what I've read. First - the 4 minutes was likely given because penalties were also given to Henderson - you add an extra 2 so that the original penalty is not offset.
As you said above the ref was holding the player back the whole time, that is probably why he received the 10. If a player continues an "altercation" after being told by the ref to stop - a misconduct is the proper call.
I agree that if a ref has to hold someone back than it can be a 10, but I think the ref just grabbed Cottle before he had a chance to do anything, since other people were involved in the scrum why give the kid who didn't do anything yet (i don't think but i didn't have the best view) a 10 when there were atleast 4 kids kids actually pushing and shoving. It looked like one of the East players was giving Zucker a few fits to the face, not sure if that resulted in any calls. I think since the kid who ran Mattern didn't get a 10 the Henderson kids shouldn't have gotten one.
