If you leave the crease and go almost all the way into the corner to play a puck you are no longer a princess and you can be checked.


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Can anyone by chance give a recap of the LaSalle game? Did Father Judge just look like they were fish out of water or what? I either thought that Judge would give them a game or play like they did. What about the Malvern Holy Ghost game, I heard the first period was very exciting to watch?

The LaSalle/Judge game looked like it might be competetive for the first 3 or 4 minutes with Judge getting a couple of shots and Pyne had to make a great stacked pad save. Then LaSalle scored three goals in 47 seconds. After that it was men playing against boys. No contest.

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Originally posted by whatthe786:
If you leave the crease and go almost all the way into the corner to play a puck you are no longer a princess and you can be checked.

Talk about a profound lack of understanding of the game.

I never really got the whole "protect the goalie at all costs" thing, but I sure enjoyed it. There were times when a weak slash would result in about three of my teammates gang tackling an opposing player which I always thought was pretty funny, though unnecessary. The majority of us can defend ourselves, and when a defensemen or a forward gets slashed, the opposing player isn't mobbed by all four of the forward's teammates on the ice.

Still, if the hit was really that bad (and it sounds like it was), I can see Cottle/whoever else going completely out of their way to crush the kid. No matter how used a goalie is to getting run and being ploughed into, no one ever taught us how to take a check in the corner from a varsity player going full speed. The kid should have been thrown out of the game, in my goaltending opinion, and decked just a bit (no serious injurie) by every Henderson player on the ice.

If you leave the crease and go almost all the way into the corner to play a puck you are no longer a princess and you can be checked.

OK, I guess if a goalie does the old chop to the ankle to a player in front of the net it isn't slashing either?

I've always been a fan of the chop to the ankle. Ha, I remember one time I got the kid bad and he turned and two handed my pad, drawing an instant slashing minor in the process. Priceless.

Nothing beats dives/exaggerations either. At the HH championship game, I covered the puck and was pretty much chilling on my knees/paddle down with the puck in my glove. There was some scrummaging to my left and I felt a stick up near my head/throat area. The stick actually did slip up above my shoulder and got caught under my mask, but it wasn't causing any serious damage. I dealt with this for about two seconds and finally was like, "Screw this," and then, as if I'd been hit, flung myself sideways out of the net into a barrel roll.

It was a good time.

My high school coach used to go bezerk (spelling?) when we used to whack guys AFTER they had a crack at our goalie, and we'd say we were protecting him.

He'd then go on to verbally lambaste (spelling?) us, and say: If you wanted to protect our goalie, you should have done it BEFORE they got to him. After the fact, will only land you in the box. At least have the common sense to tell me (coach) that you were giving the other guy some payback, rather than try and make an excuse as to why you're now in the box. And you better make sure that if you're going to do it, you better make sure that one of theirs is going to the box with you.

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Originally posted by out and about:
nah the fans were standing right outside the exit to the lockerrooms just ass they always do waiting for us to leave to go crazy as we walk out ... fans never even saw henderson players because i was at iceline till nearly an hour aftr the game to wait and talk to some of their players that i knew and not a single player had left yet so by the time i had left not a single fan from either side was there except for me and my two other captains waiting to congradulate henderson on a great season.. best part about rivalries is talking to the players after the game that u knew ... after we lost to rustin and there were fights on the ice the daily local rreporter even noted how it was like a reunion of best friends once showers and everything were done ... cuz we were jumpin around with eachother nd stuff

The East fans where very classless though. A few of the Henderson seniors stayed on the bench after everyone was gone and they where screaming you suck and things like that when they finaly came off the ice. And they didnt try to get into the locker room but they where standing at the end of the hall yelling obscene things at a couple of hendersons players who where in the hall visiable upset. It was disgracefull.

Once again, I have to agree with Snipe on this one. While I agree that a cheap shot at a goalie (if there was one) is a cheap shot, it wasn't the first of its kind and won't be the last.
I think that the fact of the matter is that, for some variety of reasons, Henderson was not the strong team everyone said they were throughout the season. Then, they tailed off in the play-offs and the FC tournament. Their regular season schedule was soft in comparison to other top teams' (only about 7 games against .500 teams), giving a misleading impression of their strength. Once they got into the ICSHL play-offs and the FC play, they played like one of the area's top 10 teams, but not like one of the top 2 or 3. I don't know whether there was a morale problem over playing time, too much reliance on 2 or 3 top players, issues on defense or in the net...but, when they needed to jell, they didn't.

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Originally posted by hhfan:
Once again, I have to agree with Snipe on this one. While I agree that a cheap shot at a goalie (if there was one) is a cheap shot, it wasn't the first of its kind and won't be the last.
I think that the fact of the matter is that, for some variety of reasons, Henderson was not the strong team everyone said they were throughout the season. Then, they tailed off in the play-offs and the FC tournament. Their regular season schedule was soft in comparison to other top teams' (only about 7 games against .500 teams), giving a misleading impression of their strength. Once they got into the ICSHL play-offs and the FC play, they played like one of the area's top 10 teams, but not like one of the top 2 or 3. I don't know whether there was a morale problem over playing time, too much reliance on 2 or 3 top players, issues on defense or in the net...but, when they needed to jell, they didn't.

How did they tail off? They one there first Flyers cup game 8-2 than they lost to a good team. They played a great game v. East but East got the bounces that night. How does that show them tailing off? East beat Perk Valley and a good L Dauphin team at there home rink in the two games before that, there the hottest team in the Flyers cup.

How did Henderson did have not have a tough schedule this year? Of there 24 games 15 where against teams that played in the Flyers cup and one v. a good Lasalle II team.

raha -- My opinion that Henderson tailed off is based on them getting knocked off before the final in the ICSHL Championship Tournament and in the quarterfinals of the FC Tournament. They weren't peaking towards the end...so, they were tailing off.
Make no mistake. As I said, they are a good top-10 type team. But not a top 2-3 type team this year. The proof is that they haven't finished either of the Championship tournaments in thr top 2 or 3. I'm not sure why, but there it is.

message to Whatthe786, read the rule book. 606(b) A minor pentaly for charging shall be imposed anytime a player makes unnescary contact with a goaltender
That being said I would like to admit that I as a goalie have gone into the corner and ended up checking someone if I got stuck, I almost never do it because it is not real smart hockey,(last I did it in our first FC game against York and the York player got the pentaly. ha ha) The point behind this is that taking out a forward at most slows the team down a bit, maybe prevents the team from putting on as much pressure, wile taking out the goalie can cripple the team. There is nothing worse than having a goal go in because someone put a cheap hit on the goalie and most good defenses know that.

Pez pretty much summed it up. We're given special liberties and protection because there are two (2) goalies dressed for a game, and usually about 15 players.

Is it funny that goalies can get away with things that players can't? Yes. Do I enjoy falling over like a sack of potatoes and drawing a penalty when a player grazes me in the crease? Yes. Was the hit on Mattern called for or justifiable, in any way? No.

HHfan and Snipe, I'd like you to clarify your positions a bit. Snipe said, "your son wasn't hurt and it only impacted the game because of your team's lack of discipline." Umm.. okay, so a cheapshot on an unprotected goaltender in the corner is okay so long as the goalie isn't hurt? What if he's...almost hurt? Shaken up a bit? Rattled to the point where he lets in the next shot? And what about the lack of discipline displayed by the player who ran Mattern?

Not to mention any parent who sees their son (especially a goalie dad) get crushed is going to have a problem, and telling him, "oh, it's okay because your kid wasn't hurt," really doesn't help. HHfan, what exactly are you agreeing with here, because Snipe's post was completely... for lack of a better word, wrong.

Boraske-Snipe's implication that the Henderson goalie is my son is not accurate...in 48 hours I've gone from having an opinion on a goalie being run (notice not the outcome of the game-the better team won) to having a son in high school. You said it best I few posts back..profound lack of understanding of the game.

I wouldn't really call it a form of "cheating." Maybe unehtical, but there's a difference between exaggerating contact and taking a dive. Talk to Hasek for me. He takes the diving to the next level.

Also, you comment correctly that we play HS hockey. HS hockey is played by high school kids. When they see one of their buddies get crushed by a cheapshot in a game, it is asking a lot to say "don't do anything." Compound that with the whole "protect our goalie wtfness" of the play, then you're really asking HS kids to display NHL like discipline.

It really shouldn't have been their best player to go after the kid, but someone should have. It's easy to sit on these boards and say, "show some discipline!" but in the heat of the moment, there are very few hockey players out there who have enough discipline to watch their goalie get crushed and say, "Guys! Let Mattern lay on the ice in a pool of blood. The kid is getting a penalty, we have a four minute powerplay. Let's let the ref handle the kid and we'll go check on our dead goalie."

Find me a team in HS or the NHL that can do that, and I'll agree with what you've said.

Gsquared, nevermind then the comments about you being a goalie dad. Kinda funny though!