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quote: Originally posted by Matt Sacks: quote: Fine on Pyne's steadyness...but he had a light load at less than 500 minutes.
I know what you wrote, I dont need to be told again.....but did you or did you not write the above quote as well? That is what I was commenting on. If you didnt write this I apologize and I will assist you in changing your password.
Matt --- Yes, that quote is part of what I wrote in response to ralphy's comment that "It really comes down to 2...". It was based on Snipe's statement that Pyne had played 400+ minutes of AAA play. That statement is misleading, on reflection, and my error in including it in my thinking is definitely my error. However, since you know what I wrote and don't need to be told again, I needn't point out that I have never denigrated Dan's accomplishments or his questioned his inclusion on any "Top" list. Nor do I need to remind you that I agreed with ralphy that Dan Pyne is certainly one of the top 2. |
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fellows ---
I'm with Matt on this one (and I've never met him!). I didn't care much for his tone at one point, but I was wrong in my comment about shots on goal and was entitled to be challenged or corrected. He didn't deny me my opinion...he simply challenged one of my "facts". In fact, he doesn't know what my opinion is because I haven't given my "list", nor do I know his. I've said 3 things. One, that I agree with Jigga's "Top 5" list, though perhaps in a different order. Two, that I would put Sutherland higher than 4th. And, three, that Dan Pyne should be considered one of the top two. Matt hasn't, and likely won't, take a position. For all I know, he might agree with me! Or not.
No, this forum is not intolerant of varied opinion. But statements of fact need to be accurate. One of my facts wasn't.
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Matt, understood on the MVP vs Goalie of the year, my miswording.
HHfan, nice shot about being someone's Aunt, other than my son playing against David Donzanti (club and HS), I know nothing of him other than watching his play. And look again at the WC East team stats down the stretch, they won some very close games 3 - 1, 3 - 2, etc where his save % was well over 90% in those individual games, pull up his individual stats and you'll see he had only 4 games all season where he fell below that 90% plateau, and they lost each one of those games. I stand by my statement, without him, they don't get to states.
On the discussion of carrying the load, your son (Rob Sutherland) had too, he was the only goalie on the team. That is commendable. Rob is a very good goalie no doubt and deserves consideration for the honor, but if you want to go by minutes, PJ Menta for Penncrest played 1002 minutes, his GAA was just a little above your son's for a lesser talented team. No one has mentioned his name. Again, another player I don't know other than seeing him play on occasion.
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No brainer on Dan Pyne. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I dont think theres any way you can rank any goalie higher then him. Ive seen him take over games against some of the best high school and club teams in the district.
As far as the other goalies, I have limited viewing on a few of them. Id have to say Donzanti would probably fall in the number 2 ranking. Played great the end of the year, solidified the Flyers Cup winning team, that wasnt the most talented in their level.
Boraske, Ive honestly never seen him play, but heard good things.
Sutherland, wasnt impressed when I saw him play. Saw him play against good and bad teams, didnt really catch my eye as a game stealer.
I also think Fynes from Roman and Petitti from Judge are good goalies, not even looking at their numbers.
Id also have to mention Goldberg from CR North. This kid faced a ton of shots, and stole some games for his team, especially down the stretch. Not saying he should be higher then Pyne or Donzanti, but he should be talked about after those 2.
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quote: Originally posted by ralphy:
Matt, understood on the MVP vs Goalie of the year, my miswording.
HHfan, nice shot about being someone's Aunt, other than my son playing against David Donzanti (club and HS), I know nothing of him other than watching his play. And look again at the WC East team stats down the stretch, they won some very close games 3 - 1, 3 - 2, etc where his save % was well over 90% in those individual games, pull up his individual stats and you'll see he had only 4 games all season where he fell below that 90% plateau, and they lost each one of those games. I stand by my statement, without him, they don't get to states.
On the discussion of carrying the load, your son (Rob Sutherland) had too, he was the only goalie on the team. That is commendable. Rob is a very good goalie no doubt and deserves consideration for the honor, but if you want to go by minutes, PJ Menta for Penncrest played 1002 minutes, his GAA was just a little above your son's for a lesser talented team. No one has mentioned his name. Again, another player I don't know other than seeing him play on occasion.
Well, ralphy --- We're just going to have to agree to disagree across the board. I saw a good number of East's games down the stretch. Donzanti's job was to give his team a chance to win and he did it very well. But he didn't "carry the team"...East, as a team, surged in the latter part of the season. Everyone else saw that. With respect to carrying the load, irrespective of the reason, when a 'tender plays every game week in and week out, he is doing a tougher job than a guy who takes a few games off. That was my point. No more. No less. Never saw Menta play. Was busy watching my "son" play, along with all the rest of his team who I've mentioned here...my "nephews" Zeigler and Fiorillo, my "cousins" Shaw and Davenport, and my other "sons", Christie and DeLuca. |
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No problem on disagreeing HHfan, my son is a goalie too, he's played on 4 teams in his 11 years of play where where he was the only goalie for a full season, so he played when he was sick, hurt, whatever. Had no choice. I understand the concept. Where I don't agree is that being the only goalie out of necessity isn't necessarily a reason to dismiss other goalies who have backups. Commendable yes, Unless goalies are splitting games, the backup generally plays against the lesser opponents, the starters against the tougher opponents. A starter with good stats against mostly good teams is pretty impressive in my book. In terms of your true identity, only a goalie dad would know the shots and specifics as you do.  |
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Matt ---
That's probably not necessary.
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Around here rating goalies can be tricky because ther are no reliable stats. (As a goalie myself I suggest we use two scorekeepers; one for keeping shots). However from what I have seen the list looks about right, with in my opinion the top 5 pretty much interchangable. (Don't know mutch about Pyrne, and I have only seen 1 La Salle game) so I should probally withhold a final judgement.
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