Yeh but as Hfan stated, the teachers will give you every break. Basically if you show up and do at least half of your work youl get through.[/QUOTE]

I dont know what school your talking about.

Its really not like that at HGP. There are no tracks, besides honors and AP classes, everyone in the grade is lumped together.

If you "show up and do at least half of your work youl get through," then you will likely end up on academic probation. Regardless if you play a sport or not. In the last 2 years we have had up to 6 kids on academic probation at one time, for a minimum of 2 weeks. In my opinion one of the reasons we have been inconsistent at points during the regular season. Even having 2 guys out on probation hurts.

Do private schools recruit, yea most do in a loose term of the word. Its not the coach, athletic director, and principal showing up at the kids house and having dinner though, like you would see in college sports. Word gets out fast in hockey circles, and if your kid has been playing for a couple years, you end up knowing everyone. Alot of the recruiting is actually done by some of the parents and kids. "Hey so and so lives near the school, hes in 8th grade, he wants to apply, hes a good player from a good family, they hear youve got alot of good players at the school, and will have a very good team."

Anyone who thinks kids are going to the local prep schools for free is crazy (at least the Prep, HGP, or Lasalle). These schools have to allocate money amongst so many things, that it would be stupid to let a hockey player go there for free. Trust me, it doesnt happen. A scholarship is usually around $4000 off tuition, which is based on academics. If there are any arrangements made by "father's associations" its pretty hush hush, and Ive never seen it with my own eyes, or heard about it with my own ears. Ive honestly never heard of it happening in an isolated case around here, but I know at PDS this was exposed, so Im sure there are other schools that could potentially do this.

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After hearing for a few years that "we don't recruit", a certain private school coach said to a sophomore public school player "I'd love to have you here at -----, have your parents call me if you're interested"

I heard it with my own two ears as I was about five feet away from the coach and the player when it was said. This was about four years ago. I'd rather not mention the club or the people involved, but I heard it myself. To me, that was blatant recruiting from someone that I've heard say numerously "we don't recruit".

Did the kid end up transferring? Just curious.

No, but that wasnt really the point of the post anyway.

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Yeh but as Hfan stated, the teachers will give you every break. Basically if you show up and do at least half of your work youl get through.[/QUOTE]

I dont know what school your talking about.

Its really not like that at HGP. There are no tracks, besides honors and AP classes, everyone in the grade is lumped together.

If you "show up and do at least half of your work youl get through," then you will likely end up on academic probation. Regardless if you play a sport or not. In the last 2 years we have had up to 6 kids on academic probation at one time, for a minimum of 2 weeks. In my opinion one of the reasons we have been inconsistent at points during the regular season. Even having 2 guys out on probation hurts.

Do private schools recruit, yea most do in a loose term of the word. Its not the coach, athletic director, and principal showing up at the kids house and having dinner though, like you would see in college sports. Word gets out fast in hockey circles, and if your kid has been playing for a couple years, you end up knowing everyone. Alot of the recruiting is actually done by some of the parents and kids. "Hey so and so lives near the school, hes in 8th grade, he wants to apply, hes a good player from a good family, they hear youve got alot of good players at the school, and will have a very good team."

Anyone who thinks kids are going to the local prep schools for free is crazy (at least the Prep, HGP, or Lasalle). These schools have to allocate money amongst so many things, that it would be stupid to let a hockey player go there for free. Trust me, it doesnt happen. A scholarship is usually around $4000 off tuition, which is based on academics. If there are any arrangements made by "father's associations" its pretty hush hush, and Ive never seen it with my own eyes, or heard about it with my own ears. Ive honestly never heard of it happening in an isolated case around here, but I know at PDS this was exposed, so Im sure there are other schools that could potentially do this.[/QUOTE]

The reason you have never seen or heard of it is that the parents are told to keep it hush hush or there kids might lose there scholarships. Its not like they have the NCAA over there shoulder, they can do what they want. Yes you are right that hardly any kids go for free but they go for "what there parents can afford to pay"

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Raha, as I said, people talk alot in hockey circles, and everyone knows everyone. Many parents love to talk about their kids whether they play hockey or not.

For example, if a hockey player gets a few thousand dollars for financial aid, by the time it gets through 5 or 6 other hockey people, hes on a full scholarship for hockey. People will embelish things to make them sound better. I dont know what school you are referring to, or if your just generalizing.

I interviewed for the coaching position at one of the prep schools a few years back. It was made clear in the initial interview that I needed to follow certain rules regarding how I contacted players. This was because of the effect it could have as a recruiting violation regarding their other sports.

We all know that coaches talk to kids, this hockey community is too small to avoid that to a certain degree. Telling a kid you would like to have him at your school/on your team is a big difference from providing a financial incentive or bending admission rules.

I am sorry, but I don't buy that the teachers at these prep schools are on board in this conspiracy and giving kids free passes so that a school can possibly win a Flyers Cup. These schools are among the most prestigious in the area and in some cases maybe even the country. Would they be willing to risk that? For what? We are not talking about the NCAA where there are millions of dollars at stake for a bowl game or a national championship. What is the incentive for the school to allow that to happen? They are going to get their enrollment every year, there is typically a waiting list at most of them anyway.

Yes your completely right with that statement. I just dont like prep school people coming on here saying there school never recruits and never gives even semi scholarships.

As for the school im talking about that I know from a personal standpoint is Malvern back when they where coached by Graves in the early 2000's. Allthough there not that good anymore so that might not be the case anymore. But other schools deff recruit and give scholarships too.

If you are going to a local area day prep school to further your ice hockey potential you are wasting your time and money. Almost no one from Philly has gone to an NCAA hockey program directly (they had to play juniors first). If you want to further your hockey career you have to go to a New England prep school. Local prep schools should be attended for their academics.

In my experience the recruiting at these schools is very hush-hush, even within the communities no one is really sure.

BTW Matt, "I'd like to see you at (our school)" is not very overt recruiting. Now, if he said "what would it take to get you here" or if he called the home of the player, that's recruiting, but in the lobby of the rink where others can hear is fairly innocuous.

Malvern Dad
Episcopal Grad

I don't agree with you can just show up and do half the work. Like someone said its not like its UMiami and they let the athletes get away with everything. Schools provide struggling athletes with help and support and maybe a little more so than than they would regular students, but being an athlete isn't a free pass.

As far as scholarships go, no most of the time the school does not provide them unless an athlete qualifies academically. However scholarships are not the only forum of tuition help students can get. Grants from alumni are very popular and very hush hush. As a recruited athlete myself (not hockey) when i was in 8th grade although i wasn't offered any sort of financial help, many of my friends who couldn't afford these schools were able to go there for high school. I don't know much about Holy Ghost prep but i refuse to believe that they are "above" all the other schools and don't recruit at all. They have a much smaller enrollment than La Salle and Prep so they would have to get MUCH luckier to get all those good hockey players all in the same school without recruiting.

Also when your coach is the admissions director at the school, that makes recruiting a little easier (Not HGP)

if you have the money to attend these prep schools then you sometimes are not aware of some of this. but if you dont have the money to attend these schools it is out there. i am not talking about hgp, i am talking more from an inter-ac standpoint.

Raha127

As you said, your familiarity is with Malvern, and I am aware of at least one hockey player that was told that if he transferred to Malvern, he could play for the JF for free. However he was told that he needed to get in academically. The boy wasn't interested. The dad said he was addressed directly. The "prep school people" coming on here as you call them did not mention Malvern, but other local schools. (No offense to anyone at Malvern, just repeating something I was told directly from the parent of the boy addressed)

What is the prestige to a local high school to offer hockey scholarships??? HS hockey is rarely in the papers, you don't get college scholarships from playing high school, these schools don't have rinks to fill with fans, and as Luber25 says these schools are going to get their enrollment numbers without scholarships. LaSalle turns down over half the kids who apply every year, I would imagine this is the same at HGP and St Joes Prep. I know of a couple pretty good hockey players that didn't get in to LaSalle over the last couple of years, so now they are playing for their local public school. You're making a generalization based on one school. Do all these schools recruit?? In the same way these schools send out people to grade schools to talk about considering enrolling there, they have open houses inviting 7th and 8th graders, usually there they have coaches, people available to talk to them about their sports programs, then sure they do. If your son has played since 6 or 7 years old, you get to know a lot of hockey parents by the time the players reach 13 or 14 years old, if there were local kids at local schools on hockey scholarships, I think people will know.

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I remember a goalie I used to play club with took an entrance exam for a prep school and was told that his scores weren't good enough to get in. The next year when the school lost their starter and backup his scores magically were good enough.

Raha,

Some of the statements that you are making are pretty ridiculous and unfounded.

First, I am 100% certain that HGP does not give athletic scholarships, especially for hockey (although friends of mine from other schools swear by it). On this you are flat out wrong. And I don't think HGP Fan is "out of the loop" because people keep it "hush hush" as you say. They arent offered. The funny thing is, that in all my time as a student and player at Ghost and afterward, I have encountered many guys that I have played hockey with through the years who told me things like "Holy Ghost offered me a full scholarship to play hockey but I turned it down." I would say back: "uhh, no they didn't," then the story would change to something like "Uhhh well a guy I know..." and I would say "no they didn't." you get the point. It's called BS and people do it all the time. Why? I don't know. Don't step in it.

I do however know, 100%, that many of the prep schools in the area, including HGP, recruit hockey players. Do some give money too? Maybe. Do i know which ones? No, I don't, and I have no proof, so I am not going to sit here and make unfounded bold claims about it. In general though, why wouldn't a parent want to send their kid to one of these schools if they could? The product sells itself- get a great education, get prepared for college, and play on one of the best hockey teams in the area- which 8th grader's parents arent going to at least consider it. And let's be honest, if your kid plays travel hockey at the tier 1 level, there is a good possibility that the family has money. How much does it cost to play tier 1 hockey? And can you name 1 player who got a hockey scholarship in the past? This is Pennsylvania, and if this was a football forum, you might have a point, but it's not, and you don't.

To say that a teacher lets the kid cruise through because of hockey is RIDICULOUS. Do you really think that most teachers care about hockey? I am a teacher at a parochial school who is playing in the AAA flyers cup semis tonight, and I am probably the only teacher in the school who has a clue that the hockey season is still running, or even who the players are on the team. To further my point, NOT ONE SINGLE KID on our team was recruited. We take what we get.

In the end, if you have no valid argument to back up what youre saying in a public forum, then keep the slander to yourself.

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BTW Matt, "I'd like to see you at (our school)" is not very overt recruiting. Now, if he said "what would it take to get you here" or if he called the home of the player, that's recruiting, but in the lobby of the rink where others can hear is fairly innocuous.

FriarOO,
It is recruiting, plain and simple. The fact that he did it within an earshot of other people was just a mistake on his part.

BTW, I never said I was against recruiting or against scholarships or financial aid.

I just didnt appreciate being told "We don't recruit in ANY way" and then to hear that comment directly.

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BTW Matt, "I'd like to see you at (our school)" is not very overt recruiting. Now, if he said "what would it take to get you here" or if he called the home of the player, that's recruiting, but in the lobby of the rink where others can hear is fairly innocuous.

FriarOO,
It is recruiting, plain and simple. The fact that he did it within an earshot of other people was just a mistake on his part.

BTW, I never said I was against recruiting or against scholarships or financial aid.

I just didnt appreciate being told "We don't recruit in ANY way" and then to hear that comment directly.

So what is it if, as in my case, I went to day camp at the school before I went there and a teacher said I was smart and should consider going there - is that recruiting? Suggesting to a kid that he should consider going to a prep school is not recruiting.