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So the parents will save $13,000 sending them to Pennsbury and they'll get a better education. And I'm sure Wally didn't recruit them in the first place. Wink


I dont understand this. Can you elaborate?
 
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Those Rock teams of the late 80's / early 90's were good, along with Tennant - problem was that half the Rock kids didn't live within Rock's school district. I can tell you that because I played with a bunch of them at Face-Off. That was the precursor of hockey recruiting.


I guess Matt should decide if people should be factual when they post on this board or not. People should not be able to come on here and post lies or unsubstantiated allegations just because they have some kind of axe to grind. It is very easy for some anonymous poser to make statements and not be accountable for the things they say.

Recruiting was going strong before Council Rock became good. We were no precursor for any recruiting. Germantown Academy had a student from the Czech Republic live with their coach so he could play for them. Central Bucks East had students from other states live with their coach so they could play for C. B. East and the Bux/Mont Generals. William Tennent had a goalie move from a lower Bucks school so he could play for Tennent. Everyone knew what was going on and as far as the leagues were concerned the students went to the school they played for, therefore they were legal.

Council Rock was accused of cheating more times than Bill Clinton had sex outside his marriage. Every time some anonymous cat accused us of cheating we had to prove we weren’t. The anonymous accuser did not have to prove we were cheating; we had to prove we weren’t. Sounds kind of like the Mc Cathy Hearings. We were investigated by the SHSHL President, the SHSHL Vice President (because he thought the SHSHL president was covering for us) the ICSHL President because he thought the SHSHL was covering for us, the Atlantic District and the Council Rock High School principal (Jane Wilson) and the Council Rock Athletic Director (Denny Warg). Do you know what they all found, butkis!

When the Philadelphia Flyers held those Banquets for the Flyers Cup Champions and runner ups all our investigators were there including the Council Rock School District Superintendent. Do you really think the superintendent would show up if he knew we were cheating?


OK, you got me, I lied about those Rock teams, especially the 1992 squad - I just didn't realize the school district stretched as far as Horsham for a defenseman.

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OK, you got me, I lied about those Rock teams, especially the 1992 squad - I just didn't realize the school district stretched as far as Horsham for a defenseman.


Prague and Quebec for goalies perhaps but I don't remember any defensman from Horsham Big Grin
 
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OK, you got me, I lied about those Rock teams, especially the 1992 squad - I just didn't realize the school district stretched as far as Horsham for a defenseman.


Humm, 1992… If I remember right the defense was Brian Green, Rich Schwab, Mike Raditz, Ron Reilly and Bill Brown. I don’t remember if we had a 6th defensemen on that team or what his name is if we did. I have been to the homes of Green, Raditz, Reilly and Schwab. I was never at Brown’s house, but as I remember he lived in Washington’s Crossing. Which one of those fine young men was from Horsham?

You claimed that half our team didn’t live within Rock’s School District. Then you spout this other crap about us being the precursor to recruiting and I exposed you as being factually wrong. Then what, the best you can do is 1 possible student that you claim lived in Horsham. That’s 1 student! The only way that could be half our players was if our team consisted of 2 players. Hahaha are you serious.
 
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Which one of those fine young men was from Horsham?


Coach....I played with Brian Green.....he is far from a fine young man! Razzer
 
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OK, you got me, I lied about those Rock teams, especially the 1992 squad - I just didn't realize the school district stretched as far as Horsham for a defenseman.


Humm, 1992… If I remember right the defense was Brian Green, Rich Schwab, Mike Raditz, Ron Reilly and Bill Brown. I don’t remember if we had a 6th defensemen on that team or what his name is if we did. I have been to the homes of Green, Raditz, Reilly and Schwab. I was never at Brown’s house, but as I remember he lived in Washington’s Crossing. Which one of those fine young men was from Horsham?

You claimed that half our team didn’t live within Rock’s School District. Then you spout this other crap about us being the precursor to recruiting and I exposed you as being factually wrong. Then what, the best you can do is 1 possible student that you claim lived in Horsham. That’s 1 student! The only way that could be half our players was if our team consisted of 2 players. Hahaha are you serious.


I used the defenseman as an example, but since you ran such a squeaky clean program, perhaps you could tell me the home town of Jim Johnston. Or at least what you recorded it as for your administrators, because I've been to his house, and if that's not Horsham I'm not sure what is. And ha ha ha, I am serious. I could care less that you were bending the rules, you may just want to check the facts against this "we did nothing wrong" routine.
 
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I used the defenseman as an example, but since you ran such a squeaky clean program, perhaps you could tell me the home town of Jim Johnston. Or at least what you recorded it as for your administrators, because I've been to his house, and if that's not Horsham I'm not sure what is. And ha ha ha, I am serious. I could care less that you were bending the rules, you may just want to check the facts against this "we did nothing wrong" routine.


Well I don’t think Jim Johnston lived in Horsham, I think he lived in Upper Moreland before he came to Council Rock. Either way, where he lived before he enrolled in Council Rock is none of my concern. My concern is that he goes to the school where he played. Is this really the best you have?

You came on here anonymously, with your original post, pontificating that half the Rock kids didn’t live within Rock’s School District. Where’s your evidence? What do you have? Everyone is on here waiting for you to break us wide open. You said you know because you played with these boys at face-Off. Please tell us you have more than Jim Johnson. Please tell us you have something on our team after making such a grandiose statement. After all, you said we were the precursor of hockey recruiting.

If all you have is Jim Johnson, you need to tuck your tail between your legs and walk away. If that is all you have, then you have been exposed as a bitter hater and rumor monger. You are another in the long line of Rock haters that can’t back up what they say, yet you don’t have to pay any price because you hide behind anonymous allegations. Great Job out of you!
 
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I used the defenseman as an example, but since you ran such a squeaky clean program, perhaps you could tell me the home town of Jim Johnston. Or at least what you recorded it as for your administrators, because I've been to his house, and if that's not Horsham I'm not sure what is. And ha ha ha, I am serious. I could care less that you were bending the rules, you may just want to check the facts against this "we did nothing wrong" routine.


Well I don’t think Jim Johnston lived in Horsham, I think he lived in Upper Moreland before he came to Council Rock. Either way, where he lived before he enrolled in Council Rock is none of my concern. My concern is that he goes to the school where he played. Is this really the best you have?

You came on here anonymously, with your original post, pontificating that half the Rock kids didn’t live within Rock’s School District. Where’s your evidence? What do you have? Everyone is on here waiting for you to break us wide open. You said you know because you played with these boys at face-Off. Please tell us you have more than Jim Johnson. Please tell us you have something on our team after making such a grandiose statement. After all, you said we were the precursor of hockey recruiting.

If all you have is Jim Johnson, you need to tuck your tail between your legs and walk away. If that is all you have, then you have been exposed as a bitter hater and rumor monger. You are another in the long line of Rock haters that can’t back up what they say, yet you don’t have to pay any price because you hide behind anonymous allegations. Great Job out of you!


Johnston has never moved. He's lived in the same house all his life, off of Horsham Road near 611. I would guess it was Hatboro Horsham's school district. Are you now telling me that holier than thou Council Rock allowed a student to enroll at their school who lived outside the district? Maybe he moved into the coaches house? Has a grandparent in the area who he lived with M-F? Don't tell me after all your chest puffing and banner waving that there's a chink in the armor?

Look, I have no problem with Council Rock. I just hate when people thrust themselves out in the open like they're the one clean program in the area when they weren't. Why do you think Rock was always under suspicion? Was it because people don't like the color navy? Or was it because anyone with a relative near Bucks County was a potential player?

As for anonymous postings....I looked up "Top Cat" in the Lower Bucks phone book and didn't come up with an address. Perhaps you're not using a real name either?

I love how you come firing out with "Give me a name" and then when I do, you counter with "Is that all you have?". So what is it then - you broke the rules once, but where's my second example? How many players do I have to name exactly?
 
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Top Cat is far from anonymous. He has posted in the past that he is in fact Paul J. Gilligan.
 
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Honestly, if they were investigated and nothing was proven then what are you really arguing. If they did cheat, good for them for getting away with it. But as far as everyone involved with the investigation was concerned they didn't. Why dredge up old news like this? There are plenty of teams that have done this over the years and I'm sure there team wasn't the first and they definetly aren't the last.
 
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Top Cat is far from anonymous. He has posted in the past that he is in fact Paul J. Gilligan.


Well then Top Cat was behind the bench when he was rolling Johnston over the boards. How did he get into Rock then? Was it open enrollment? Or didn't you concern yourself with such details? If you ran such a clean program then why was there a kid playing defense who lived outside the district?
 
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Did Jim even play varsity?

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I just hate when people thrust themselves out in the open like they're the one clean program in the area when they weren't.


At what point did anyone from Council Rock come on here and do this?

I can't imagine why Top Cat would become defensive when some anonymous knucklehead decides to go after his integrity.
 
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Did Jim even play varsity?

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I just hate when people thrust themselves out in the open like they're the one clean program in the area when they weren't.


At what point did anyone from Council Rock come on here and do this?

I can't imagine why Top Cat would become defensive when some anonymous knucklehead decides to go after his integrity.


You know what, you're right. Gilligan never said they didn't do anything wrong, he just said it was never proven. I believe that - it WAS never proven. I withdraw my comments. But he did challenge me to show proof, which I did.
 
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You know what, you're right. Gilligan never said they didn't do anything wrong, he just said it was never proven. I believe that - it WAS never proven. I withdraw my comments. But he did challenge me to show proof, which I did.


You are wrong again! I actually challenged your statement that half our kid’s didn’t live within Rock’s school district. I also challenged your statement that we were the precursor of hockey recruiting.

I produced actual instances where teams were already recruiting before we became good. You still have not addressed the fact that you were so wrong on that issue.

You named one boy; Jim Johnston who you said did not live in our school district. Who are you and how do you know he did not live in our school district? He certainly did not live in my home or he would have had to played for Springfield (Montco).

Council Rock had and probably still has a very big truancy department, probably because they are such a big district. Part of the truancy department is to make sure all new students live where they say they are living. It is not the coach’s job to find out where students are living. I coach a college team and I can tell you what high school each student came from, but I could not tell you beans about where they live.

I don’t care where my students live now and I didn’t care where my students lived when I was coaching Council Rock. There are other people and school district departments that are responsible for that.

You need to provide some information to back up your original post (I have included it below just in case you can’t remember). If you can not back up your erroneous statements then you need to apologize for being so wrong!

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Those Rock teams of the late 80's / early 90's were good, along with Tennant - problem was that half the Rock kids didn't live within Rock's school district. I can tell you that because I played with a bunch of them at Face-Off. That was the precursor of hockey recruiting.

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Council Rock is a huge district, with families who do well financially, and there are 5 or 6 rinks within a half hour to 45 minutes of any house in the district. They had so many kids to choose from back then, and they didnt have to worry about kids choosing to go to Holy Ghost or most other open enrollment schools. i didnt see any early to mid 90s CR teams play, but I can imagine them being very good, just by the amount of good hockey players that still live in the district today.
 
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