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ok all. if this merger takes place and when it does, my question is that we are all told it is to imitate what they do in PIHL. well i see that their AAA division is not made up of all 'open enrollment' schools. it is based on their win/lost ratio from the previous year. so with that in mind, how does everything breakdown now? also there is a rumor going around that the Archdiocese might change their wording since schools are closing and so forth that might put the high schools back to the old way of getting kids. meaning you had to go to a sponsered/feeder school to go to that high school. example: st pius grade school, st. anastasia, are feeder schools for o'hara. that would put kids from other areas that are not listed as coming from a feeder school eligible to go there. for example: a slew of kids from the upper darby/drexel hill area that do go to o'hara would have to go to bonner and prendie since their parish is considered the feeder school to bonner and prendie
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PIHL does its A/AA/AAA strictly on school size (PIAA Boys enrollment), except for voluntary move-ups (Meadville, Kittanning), and their non-Penguins Cup Open Division.
Regarding the Diocese and HS sports in the PCL, the Brave New World is upon us. All diocese schools plus LaSalle and St Joesephs Prep are PIAA members starting July 1st, and that means the "old ways"--designated feeder schools and all are back--plus PIAA rules on recruiting, transfers, elgibility, etc., etc., are to be followed. To help the Philadelphia Diocese make the transition to the PIAA, the PIAA Bylaws were specifically modified so any potential "feeder" school that sends 25% or more of its graduates to a Diocese HS is a "feeder" school for that HS. For example: St. Dorothy's in Drexel Hill probably qualifies as a feeder for O'Hara (Boys and Girls), Bonner (Boys), and Prendie (Girls). What's this all mean for HS hockey? Yet to be determined... |
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So what effect does this have on LCHS, Malvern, St Joe's and HGP if any?
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Depends on IF we start treating hockey like a PIAA sport: What are LaSalle's "feeder schools"--must have a one-to-one feeder-HS affiliation(not affiliated with another parochial school) or meet that 25% rule. Malvern's an Inter-Ac school, and isn't joining the PIAA any time soon. St Joe Prep gets a lot of kids from south Jersey--don't know how they fit under the PIAA feeder school rules. HG Prep is a long-time PIAA member. So are they running their hockey program like all the other PIAA-compliant sports teams at the school? |
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I think things are still up in the air with St. Joe's, LaSalle and Malvern regarding PIAA rules. I read that St. Joe's and LaSalle are no longer in the Catholic league because they are a prep school much like Holy Ghost and Malvern.
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well then if it is based on numbers like the PIHL, then some of the schools in the AAA division down here will not be in the AAA division.
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La Salle and SJPrep had to choose last year, since they are not Diocese schools that had the decision made for them, and they chose to stay part of the Philadelphia Catholic League, which meant they also chose joined the PIAA. Holy Ghost Prep plays in the Bi-Centennial League(?) for non-hockey sports, and has been a member of the PIAA all along. None of the Inter-Acs--that's Malvern, Germantown Academy, Haverford School, Episcopal--that play hockey are or are planning to join the PIAA. See the earlier posts about Boys Lacrosse and what PIAA sanction of that sport means for the Inter-Ac lacrosse teams. |
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http://www.pihlweb.com/index.php?pr=PIHL_Alignment
here is the outcome of last years alignment for the league in Pittsburgh http://www.pihlweb.com/media/PIHL_By-Laws.pdf |
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Does anyone know if the powers that be down here on the eastern side of the state know what the Archdiocese has to do? This could change the outcome of who goes AAA, AA, A. Or is there a loophole in the plans that indicates that since ice hockey does not follow the PIAA rules that the AAA teams can recruit players just for that sport?
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It's still not clear to me what impact this has on a school like Lasalle for any sport. You don't have to be Catholic to go there. It doesn't matter where you went before you go there and it doesn't matter where you live as long as you can get there. What am I am missing?
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i personally do not know about Lasalle but I am using O'Hara as a reference. They will be loosing some of their players probably because those kids do not come from the feeder schools that has been set by the Archdiocese. Meaning I personally know a player that is going there and on the hockey team.....but his grade school/parish is the feeder school for Bonner. Also what do they classify as an open enrollment school? Yes, Lasalle would fall into that catagory but O'Hara would not. Am I correct????
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Everyone who is currently enrolled at PCL member schools in the PIAA should be eligible next year, no worries. The "feeder schools" are only an issue for 8th graders coming into 9th grade. After starting 9th grade at a school, changing schools is handled as a standard transfer issue--was it done for "athletic advantage (in whole or in part)"? All PIAA member private schools have a "feeder School network". At a minimum it is any private school with an 8th grade located in the same public school district where the private (parochial or private) school is located. The term "open enrollment" has no meaning under the PIAA rules. Is O'Hara in Springfield Twp or Marple? Also, any parochial K-8 school that sends 25% of its graduates to a parochial HS can be claimed as a Feeder for that school--St. Dorothy's to both Bonner and O'Hara, for instance. A parochial/private HS can also claim any other private K-8 school that isn't already a Feeder to another HS--if the Diocese approves it. There's possibilities for O'Hara doing this in the western half of Delaware County, until they start running into Shanahan or Carroll's feeder schools. Interesting quandries for La Salle--located in the Cheltenham school district? I doubt La Salle gets 25% of the graduates of any parish K-8 school. Same for SJ Prep, located in the city--will the Diocese assign any parish schools to the higher-cost PCL "prep" schools? Somewhat like King Solomon carving up the baby. Go to the PIAA web site and read the Bylaws, Article VI TRANSFERS, RESIDENCE, AND RECRUITING PIAA Bylaws Some fun. Keep in mind, this is all for entertainment purposes only, until if, when, or how its decided that PIAA rules might be applied to the local HS leagues. This message has been edited. Last edited by: CarlWood, |
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Thanks Carl. Sounds complicated for the schools that are private but not part of the diocese but are in the PCL. |
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Carl just as an FYI, LaSalle is in Springfield Twp. For the "private" schools, I believe you would be correct in those type schools concerning the 25% rule, for example the two small catholic grade schools in springfield generally about half of the boys of those two schools go to LaSalle, but not sure if that would even meet the 25% rule. Certainly it would be difficult for a single sex school (like a LaSalle, SJP, Mount St. Joes (Girls), Roman etc) to meet the 25% rule.
Does anyone know how it works for HGP or for Mt. St. Joes that are PIAA schools. At the Mount, their admission standards are pretty high, I can't imagine any grade school meeting the 25% rule there. This message has been edited. Last edited by: ralphy, |
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Since the two Springfield (Montco) parish schools are in the La Salle "private" school district boundaries, they are automatically feeder schools to La Salle. If 25% of the 8th grade boys from those parish schools also go to McDevitt, then they would also qualify as "boys" feeders to McDevitt... As a clarification, the 25% numbers are gender-specific--if 25% of the boys go to the HS from a parish school, then it qualifies as a "boys feeder"; same, if 25% of the girls go to the HS, it qualifies as a "girls feeder", even if not located inside the boundaries of the "private school district". It appears that as part of the price for joining the PIAA, the Diocese has given up some of its "open enrollment" policies and returned (to an extent) to the parish feeder-->HS setup it used to follow. This does leave the "preps" in bit of an awkward position, and reduces their ability to compete for high-visibility 8th grade athletes whose enrollment outside the feeder network could be challenged as for "athletic advantage", and the 1-year loss of eligiblity applied. Truthfully, around the PIAA, most transfers go unchallenged unless "credible" charges of recruiting are reported. That's much more likely with post-9th grade transfers, especially if highly visible athletes (i.e., varsity players) are involved. To an extent, I think people are more worried about this in theory than actual experience will justify. I am certainly on the outside looking in at the decision process that put the PCL into the PIAA, but I wonder if there isn't a certain attempt to "level the playing field" among the parochial HS competing for kids, especially for the older Diocese HS that are struggling to sustain enrollments. This message has been edited. Last edited by: CarlWood, |
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