Originally posted by crusader: matt, your bias is yours no big deal, you have one and i have one that is why we are at different ends of this argument. your concern over competitive balance is unfounded . lasalle v1 won their first state championship in ten years and the lasalle v2 team was good not great and offered good competition for many other teams in the area. to disregard these players and the value they brought to other teams in this area is short sighted. secondly, no one is asking north penn or the other schools to play against hgp, malvern, lasalle 1 teams, despite having enrollments that match the privates. how does v2 exsistence effect the public teams other than provide quality competition and good rivlaries. the reputation of high school hockey in this area has nothing to do with the presence of V2 teams. in fact lasalle's victory at meadville states and even at mt.st. charles did little to improve the reputation of this area (see national high school hockey rankings). the issue of respect and quality of play has more to do with the mass exodus of quality players to other areas. this exodus is a result of increased opportunity, better coaching, and better quality programs. that is why high school hockey is struggling. v2 teams are the least of the problems in this area. the privates have more hockey playing kids because hockey is a "rich" kids sport in this area and many go to private school. yet this fact should not prohibit theses boys from having a quality expereince especially when it serves to improve the overall quality of hockey for many boys. access, opportunity, competititve balance, good games, rivalry these are what the v2 teams have offered. the down side is np(or another school) won't get one additional player. sounds to me like the system in place now is a win win for all involved except those in power who want trophies in their case over all the aforementioned positives. if you would like i will give you another reason in private i have no desire to broadcast. take care.
You nailed it. The mouthpiece of those in power will no doubut counter but in the end it is all about them and not about doing what is right for the boys (read boraske).
crusader, Be careful. Private is a relative word on here. He will dime you out in a second if he doesn't like what you say or who you say it about. He has admitted as much in the past.
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Is it just me or was there a 80 something post thread over wheather SV should get in because we played a couple Varsity II teams. (JK I know it was diffrent people)
Many of these kids do deserve to play varsity and we were even beat by Malvern II so it's not like they can't compete, Some of these kids are in fact teriffic athletes. To my knowledge some of these schools have multiple JV teams as it is.
I know many kids who play O'Hara II and a few on Malvern II, and the consesus between the majority of them is that the V2 team basically a JV with the real varsity being the AAA. I think it would be interesting to get some V2 players on the board and see what they think
Crusader, Asko is referring to the isolated incident about when Ken Haas was being slandered. The posts are their to read, and what I did is public knowledge, I never hid it.
I also never told the person who was slandering Ken that his secret was safe with me nor did we have any discussions about any topic away from the message board that was "off the record".
He used SIX different screen names (Asko is the 7th) to slander people, none of which was his real name.
Weather or not you and I agree on the topic is irrelevent. You have expressed yourself in a mature and a responsible way and I have no problem with you being a part of the breakaway forum's.
If you're not confortable sending me your concerns via email, i understand....but I never gave that other guy my word on anything!
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Posts: 924 | Location: Philly | Registered: 11 September 2006
D'town East and Perk Valley had very good JV teams this year, how would you have felt about playing them. This is an honest question. I think Steve you already answered that you would not have been thrilled about it, but I forget.
Originally posted by Matt Sacks: Crusader, Asko is referring to the isolated incident about when Ken Haas was being slandered. The posts are their to read, and what I did is public knowledge, I never hid it.
I also never told the person who was slandering Ken that his secret was safe with me nor did we have any discussions about any topic away from the message board that was "off the record".
He used SIX different screen names (Asko is the 7th) to slander people, none of which was his real name.
Weather or not you and I agree on the topic is irrelevent. You have expressed yourself in a mature and a responsible way and I have no problem with you being a part of the breakaway forum's.
If you're not confortable sending me your concerns via email, i understand....but I never gave that other guy my word on anything!
Remember he holds the information and gets to decides if he gives it out. If you trust him go for it. Good luck!!
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D'town East and Perk Valley had very good JV teams this year, how would you have felt about playing them. This is an honest question. I think Steve you already answered that you would not have been thrilled about it, but I forget.
Honestly, if they were called Perk Valley Varsity II, I wouldn't have any objection to it. Naturally, I wouldn't waste my time playing the same game against the same team called Perk Valley JV Elite.
I can't remember whether that helps or hinders crusader's/Matt's arguments.
Posts: 291 | Location: Ridley Park | Registered: 26 February 2007
It actually helps both points, depending on how one interperts it.
My point is that they are JV calling themselves V2 and Ridley Varsity shouldnt ever be playing Perk Valley JV.
Crusader will interpert this as (And correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not trying to put words into your mouth) If that's what it takes for Ridley to play a competitive game against a good team, why not call them V2.
Posts: 924 | Location: Philly | Registered: 11 September 2006
responding to your earlier post, I think you need to reread my posts, I am in favor of V2 teams, not against.
In general, my last point in the issue is per my last and long post, the landscape of high school hockey has lots of problems that affect high schools (particularly high school "club" teams) ability to attract players. Even LaSalle has gone from the class of 2009 having 30+ freshmen tryout for teams to the class of 2011 & 2012 having under 15 "players" expressing an interest in playing hockey. It's likely if that trend continues, that LaSalle will be down to two teams in the next couple of years.
And lastly, just the idea that people not involved in the program really think that most parents are willing to spend $10,000 + a year for high school tuition for the reason to say their son is playing Varsity 2 for school X is really crazy. As a Varsity 2 parent, knowing the other Varsity 2 parents (many of them for longer than the 3 years my son has been at LaSalle), I don't believe that any of them had that as the overriding reason to send their son to LaSalle. If V2 teams cease to exist for whatever reason, the impact to struggling teams suddenly having a larger pool of players would be minimal if any at all.
Thanks for listening.
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Originally posted by Matt Sacks: to expand on whatthepuck's question......let's say it's a league game and they are in fact called Downingtown East JV.
This argument is with out merit since under the current circumstances no matter how good D'town JV was they couldn't call themselves D'town V2 and play in the Varsity league. The obvious answer here is if they are JV and playing in a JV league of course they won't play them. That is just the way it is but doesn't prove anything.
ralphy - My apologies for misreading your earlier post. I agree spending that kind of money to buy a V2 tag is crazy and I don't think anyone is doing that despite what some may think.
